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[Feature Friday] Author Dr. Pat Boulogne on How Small Lifestyle Changes and Personalized Medicine Can Change Your Life - The ROI Online Podcast Ep. 42

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Author Dr. Pat Boulogne is a chiropractor, certified functional medicine practitioner, and acupuncture physician. On this episode of the ROI Online Podcast, Dr. Pat talks with Steve about the ways in which functional medicine can improve your overall health in ways you can’t even imagine. 

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Our bodies are complex mechanisms that can compensate for any problems that arise. So, when it comes to treatment, Dr. Pat and other experts in the field turn to functional medicine because it focuses on the root cause of the problems rather than the resulting symptoms. That means, whatever ailments that arise, might not be caused by something obvious.   

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Dr. Pat considers the pillars of health to be exercise, diet, good sleep, posture, a positive mental attitude, and a properly functioning nervous system. She thinks that what you eat, whether you’re exercising (and how much), and if you take the time for meditation or self-reflection all matter to your overall health. 

If you fix your gut, you can change your life, so sugar, flour, and anything white shouldn’t be part of your diet. But less obvious is that you might be someone who does better when eating cold foods or those that are significantly warmer. You really need to assess where your weakest link is and design a personalized program to help you operate at your highest potential. 

Unfortunately, there are so many people sick and they don’t even know it. Dr. Pat’s job is to help women get better, faster results so they feel better and stop spinning their wheels.


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Why… Are you Sick, Fat, and Tired?: Find Out Now by Dr. Pat Boulogne 


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Pat Boulogne: 

For me, I like to solve those pieces of the puzzle like that, you know, that are challenging. And make it simple for somebody, I like to help people get unstuck and move forward so that they get better, faster results and are not spinning their wheels. And trying to figure out like, you know, you talked a little bit about this before, you know, reading something in a book basically, and, and trying to apply it. And a lot of times that can be costly, because it's not really dealing with the root cause of the problem. So I help people get to that root cause, find out what it looks like. And then what do I have to do get it out of here? You know, like, what, how much of a ladder? Do I need to get unstuck from here to get out? And how can I do it that what is the easiest way for me to do it? And you know, that makes I get up in the morning thinking? How many problems can I solve today? In our how many challenging things and it just, you know, in my head synthesizes things you know, by bring just works in that fashion very easily.

Steve Brown: 

Hi, everybody. Welcome to the ROI online podcast where we believe you, the courageous entrepreneurs of our day, are the invisible key rows of our economy. You not only improve our world with your ideas, your grit and your passion, but you make our world better. I'm Steve Brown. And this is the place where we have great conversations with winners just like you while we laugh and learn together. Dr. Pat Malone, welcome to the ROI online podcast.

Pat Boulogne: 

Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. And Happy birthday to you. Today's your birthday as well. Thank you very much. It's been a wonderful day so far.

Steve Brown: 

So let's make it really good now. So the folks that listen to this podcast, now you're an author, and this title of your book is really going to resonate with them. Because everyone I believe, has asked themselves this question at least once in their life. And it's why are you sick, fat and tired? Where did that title come from? And why did you name it

Pat Boulogne: 

that? Well, because I wanted to pick a title that could resonate with a lot of different scenarios. So a person when I was looking for a title, and my business group said to me, I'm not sick, Pat, I'm not fat, and I'm not tired. And I said, Well, I said, you know, if you're tired. And you kind of know if you're fat, because you can look in a mirror or your clothes don't fit you well anymore. But you don't know if you're sick. And because sick takes time to develop. It doesn't happen overnight. Right? You know, trauma happens in a nanosecond. But sickness does not happen overnight.

Steve Brown: 

So you're, um, you're a chiropractor. You're a certified functional medicine practitioner. You're also a certified chiropractic sports physician. And this is cool. You're an acupuncture physician as well. So yeah, you tell us what exactly is functional medicine is a medicine that works.

Pat Boulogne: 

Functional Medicine is really a, it's been developing for quite a while in 1992, Dr. Jeffrey bland. I saw him at a conference. And it was like the dimmer switch went on. And I started following him very intently. And so when he explained functional medicine and how functional medicine has evolved, it's really about the person it's about your bio identity. It's about how you responding to your environment, because you're not your DNA, you are how you are, you know, responding to the chemicals that you use the foods that you eat, and, and that changes your chemistry of your body quite significantly. So that if something is happening for a long period of time, then you're going to start seeing depletions or you're going to start seeing more of a priority go on and certain organ systems.

Steve Brown: 

So functional medicine, I've heard people talk about you know, like, we might go to a let's say we go to a gastro, internal doctor, right. And then then he prescribes a medicine or she prescribes a medicine and then we might go to a heart doctor, and then we might go to another doctor, but they're not really all coordinating together and you're lacking, like a quarterback or someone that's kind of coordinating an overall comprehensive you Yeah, lab or plan over your overall health You seem to have we sometimes in at least in the American medicine, we're always have these disconnected people that are coaching us driving us, treating us for different diseases are different situations. And that probably would benefit if they couldn't talk to each other more.

Pat Boulogne: 

Well, the thing is, is that if you look at your health, kind of like a Swiss watch, and those organ systems, the brain controls and coordinates all functions, and then you have these organ systems that interrelate with each other. So when you do something for the, the cardiovascular system, then what happens is, is that it's going to affect some other system is going to defect or your digestive system, if your guts off, it's going to affect what happens with your detoxification system. And so if your gut is damaged, and you keep on synthesizing food out into your bloodstream before they're ready to go there, it has to go to the liver, and it has to be process. Yeah. And so when it goes to the liver, and it has to be processed, then it's going to like if the liver gets overwhelmed, what happens is, is that it dumps back out into the intestinal tract and it comes back again. And then it gets stored. Because when it gets to that overwhelmed point, then it goes out into the body and it gets stored in blood, brain bone fat. Yuck. And it's deep, because it's not something that's superficial. So then you have a bigger problem, especially with things like heavy metals, which even in a good gut can transfer out into the blood system pretty quickly. Excuse me.

Steve Brown: 

So when when, if someone is to read your book, unless, you know, leaders, right now in businesses, they they don't have a lot of time they're busy, they're, you know, they've got all these things that are competing for their attention, and sometimes what you eat or your plan for your, your self care, whatever goes on the back burner, I know, sometimes I will defer an hour of rest, to digging into something that I need that's been bothering me that needed to be done for a while. What are some of the things that people learn in your book that would help help us be a better manager of our own care?

Pat Boulogne: 

Well, one thing is this that you know, is piecing out things that are important to So when you're looking at self care, you've got to decide what works for you. Because what works for me and doesn't you know, isn't necessarily going to work for you isn't going to necessarily work for another person. So what I what works for me is really paying attention to my diet, and looking at what foods I'm eating what foods I'm, you know, what I would pass on, and you know, things that never pass my mouse, you know, and then, you know, for somebody else, like a second thing might be, you know, exercise, it could be, you know, meditation, it could be quiet time in not necessarily meditation. But it's like where how you get that reset to take take care of yourself over a period of time. So it would it depends upon what someone's prototype is. So when I'm looking at someone's questionnaire that I'm getting back from the book that I wrote, I'm looking at how their health is patterning out. So I can see where the priority is and where the less priority. And so I can look at and go, hey, you've got this going on. And you've got a lot of high scores, but you have a priority that you've got to pay attention to and fortify at this point in time. So does that make sense?

Steve Brown: 

Yeah. So it's, you know, I think a lot of times people maybe read an article and they get inspired, like to read more, eat more spinach, right? Because it has full A and vitamin B. And so we'll eat, we'll eat a lot of spinach thinking that we're doing ourself good. But like for me, I don't, I don't digest the Foley properly based on labs. So I would have been self diagnosing on a guess, and not really achieving the things that I intended. And oftentimes, we're just shooting in the dark. And so to have a process where they can come in, fill out, fill out a form, get some diagnostics, you can start to design a map for them. Is that correct?

Pat Boulogne: 

That's right. You know, so when you're looking at where somebody's weakest link is and their health, it tells us the big picture because it might not necessarily be where they think it is. It might be something else, but I always you know, one of the things I always say is fix your gut change your life. And so you've got to look Where to start to improve your ink decrease less inflammation, because when you're adding injury, you know, to something like for instance, I don't digest beans, I can feel them in my gut for, like five days in the same place. And so I just learned, I don't want to eat them, you know, and because I don't want to feel bad, and I eat foods that are easily digestible for me, and do things with food, but you have to, you know, there's lab tests that you can go do, there's a, like an allergy test that you can see what kind of foods that you're reactive to. And, you know, so on that premise of like, I don't guess I test, I look at what foods people gravitate to. And sometimes a lot of foods that you gravitate to are foods that you have sensitivity to, you know, and, you know, and then learning like how to like, not eat the foods that you're there are the definite never ate, and the ones that you're reactive to, and take them out of your diet, so that over a long period of time, in the long run, you don't start having bleeding in the gut and that type of stuff.

Steve Brown: 

You know, we're so busy. And I noticed that thinking about what I'm going to eat today is like the last minute decision, it's something that wasn't planned. I'm just, you know, okay, we have a little time here and then go get something to eat, but I don't really plan what I'm going to do. I didn't bring my lunch, I didn't do all this preparation. And so there's probably a lot of areas that are making me tired, or things that I'm not aware of that's making me tired. How do you How would you coach someone to think more long game instead of short game on how to start to figure that out and be a better manager over over your diet?

Pat Boulogne: 

Well, I think you've got to, like know, the foods that work for you, and stock up on them.

Steve Brown: 

So how do I figure that out?

Pat Boulogne: 

Um, well, if you eat something and you get tired afterwards, then something that you wait you're sensitive to. The fast way to do that is to go out and do a lab, you know, get do a lab, on what foods you have sensitivity to that was just talking about, and finding out what those are, and then get those out of your diet, there's a really great free app out there. So like for you who could those doesn't want spinach or things that have full aid in it. It's called Emily. And Yama Li is a free app, there is a premium version of it also. But for the average person, you can put any foods that you don't you know, that you shouldn't have in your diet, like I tell people to stay away from sugar, flour, anything white and just not eat it. You know, and, you know, a lot of people will eat bread and the custard digestion or they eat cold, you know, they'll drink cold things, or they eat cold things. And they really are the type of person that really should have warmer things. So you really have to assess where that weak link is. And then you can design, you know, more personalized programs around that.

Steve Brown: 

It's so hard because the American diet is full of all those white things that that you're telling us to avoid. It's like you really have to work hard to find food on the fly that doesn't have most of those ingredients mixed up.

Pat Boulogne: 

Well, you know, the Mediterranean diet for me is a diet that really works. And how I upped that game on that diet is I do a food combining type things, I want it to be an anti inflammatory diet. So if you lump sum that definition up, it's eating proteins with vegetables with a little bit of fat. And so you can have swordfish with zucchini, and you can have and maybe a small cells of some sort. And that will give you you know, a holdout you'll feel you won't feel hungry after you eat that. Because that's the problem is that if you eat too many carbohydrates, your body will have a tendency, an hour later, you'll be hungry, you'll be back in the refrigerator. That's how you know that you've eaten too many carbohydrates or your brain gets fuzzy.

Steve Brown: 

Yeah, great. Yeah, yeah,

Pat Boulogne: 

brain fog. And we all have had, you know, I've had that there's supplements that help. You know, in David Asprey, there's a lot of writing about brain power and using, you know, and being more honest. And so there's, you know, when I was studying at a couple years ago, I was studying for a California board. And so, because I was going to do a project out there and went on so when I went to go do that, I looked up what David had aspray you know what he said? And then I looked at what, you know what I was already doing. And I only had to tweak a couple things in order to do that, because I wanted the endurance of how my brain was working. And to be sharp, you know, for three hours when I was studying, and then when I went in to go take an exam that I thought to myself, why am I doing this? My age, but it was the thing it was, it was, it was great, because it really stretched those brain cells.

Steve Brown: 

So what started you on this journey in the first place? Were you? Were you just someone that was really focused on your health? Or did you have an event that made you really reevaluate?

Pat Boulogne: 

You know, I had a really great teacher in chiropractic school. And just Previous to that I had a friend from college who said, he would make a great chiropractor and I said, chiropractors are quacks. And he said, Oh, my God, Patricia, what planet are you? And so I ended up hurting my shoulder, I was in college, and I was waiting on tables. And I kept on lifting trays over my head. And it gets worse, like, you know, I had poor posture, and it just ate at it. So I went to this chiropractor, and I didn't like them. And I went, Wow, if he can do this, so can I. And then I went to chiropractic school. And I had this very cool teacher for nutrition. And it was like one of those light bulbs going off again. And then I took that in, understood that. And I had another mentor in chiropractic, who always said, what you got, that isn't what you got. And so when I studied him, I mean, I had very, very big sensitivity to cigarette smoke. I could smell it two cars away from me, and I wanted to kill the person. Like, why are you smoking, and it's so bad for you. And so this guy took the edge off, he did a specific technique, and took in, shut off that reaction for my body to the smoke. And I went, Wow, I want to learn this. Do you know how many people you could help doing this kind of work. And so that's and so I incorporated his style of technique into my office, and in an added in the new, more of nutrition component. And that's where I focus my energy on but it was that's how, like one thing led to the other. That's how I actually became a chiropractor in the very beginning. So

Steve Brown: 

what does that mean? What you got is not what you you got?

Pat Boulogne: 

Well, it means that you can have signs and symptoms, I call them Grim Reaper syndrome, because we have like floaters that they tell you are normal for aging. They're not normal for aging, that's supposed to be there. They tell you, you know, like, Oh, it's normal. They have like joints that are a little bit. You know, like stiff in the morning when you get older. That's not normal. I mean, I had a woman who was 80 years old, 82 years old, I came into my office when I was on the cape on Cape Cod. And I asked her if you know, I go, do you think you're flexible? She goes, Yeah, I said, Well, how flexible are you I said, Show me and she can put her hands behind her feet. I couldn't do that at that time. And I was like, wow, what do you do? And it was, it was one of those, you know, when you're, you're thinking about like, you know, it's what you set as a new normal, and what you don't, so if you have an accident, you don't want that new posture to become your new normal. That's how you keep on seeing people keep leaning forward, more forward and such and structures. So important structures function. So if you don't have good structure, you can't have good function. And it goes without saying that, you know, the five pillars of health, which, for me, our exercise, diet, good sleep, good sleep posture, positive mental attitude, and properly functioning nervous system, which is the biomechanics, you know, have got to all be equal pieces of the pie. You know, one always feeds off on the other. So you know, what you got isn't necessarily what you got. And you're also your DNA, you're not your DNA. So if you, you are what your DNA is expressing in your environment. So if you have a lot of pollutants around you, then you're going to see other things like if you're drinking water out of plastic, or if you you know are cooking from the microwave and tip, you know, and heating things up in plastic, you just don't want to do that. It's not a good thing to do. It's not even good thing to use microwave.

Steve Brown: 

So why is it that the common attitude towards chiropractors are that they're quacks. Why is that?

Pat Boulogne: 

Well, I think that, you know, there was a huge and a trust thing years ago about chiropractic, but there's enough research that's out there and there enough people who, you know, have found really good results. I mean, I've had people who have had crawled in with pain and walk out smiling. And I always think, you know, did I know, it's like, well, I just look at right side lifts side, I look how functional the body is moving. And where it's not functional is where I work on either muscularly or, like, you know, look at what the motion is, as your joints are all supposed to move and all the big studies that that are done by medical doctors, so, you know, when I go, you know, going back to that, you know, I love it when somebody you know, when they say that, to me, I'm thinking, Oh, I love you know, I love duck, I love duck breast, it's very good for you, you know, it's a lower, it's a smaller fat molecule, and it's good to cook your eggs in it, things like that.

Steve Brown: 

So did you practice your focus? Are you very women centric? And is there would you obviously women are different? And they have different stresses and needs in their life? How? How do you treat women differently than men? What's? Or is it pretty much the same? I'm curious,

Pat Boulogne: 

your Well, a lot of the diseases that used to be male diseases only, like the American Heart Association said, most men don't know that they have heart disease, until they have a heart attack and die. And then that's, that's a true statistic, 75%. And women, you know, because of, you know, getting out there and doing that stress, you know, their numbers have statistically come up also. So, I like dealing with women, because I like to get them, you know, to do more self care, like guys do that on a natural basis anyway, pretty much. But women always take care of their husband, their mother, their father, their kids, their dog, their girlfriend, they do something for everybody else, and they don't really always take care of themselves. You know, so, especially women who want to tackle and take on the world, right? You know, you find yourself in, you know, at the end of the day depleted, if not in the middle of the day, and you're thinking I need to lay down for 20 minutes, and I need to, yep, I need to meditate, or I need to take a nap, I need to do something. So I help women, in those cases, get into what I call Einstein's time. And Einstein's time is the is a loose term for being in your vibe, you know, and being in your groove. Because when you are in that space, no matter what else is going on, you're like the duck going across the pond with your feet paddling like heck, but you're cool, calm and collective. And not only that, you have time to spare and you get everything done, and you have time for yourself. I

Steve Brown: 

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Pat Boulogne: 

Well, I think the first thing to do is you got to get off into choni. And Time antonian Time is when you have your scheduled scheduled out male, female, schedule out eight o'clock, nine o'clock, 815 got a call for 15 minutes, check in with her blah, blah, blah, and you have a list. When you're in Einsteins time you have that list, it just happens, you know, and there's no stress, there's no like, I've got to get it done, or I've got to write this article. And I have my kid who's supposed to show up two hours ago, and he isn't here. So my focus is different. So it's like learning where to put that purpose, intention and focus on your day, so that you can get those things done. So self care can be a lot of different things for people, you know, like for some people's taking a nap every day for 15 minutes, that just going, you can just lay down and not do anything or just go outside. And what I used to do at my office is give my employees a rock. And I would tell them, take the rock, and when you get the rock on your workstation, it means that you are like driving me crazy. And in a nice way, and go out and hug a tree, take five minutes and just go breathe some fresh air and make you know, and then recycle gets centered so that you can come in and do that fresh look at whatever you have to do that day, you know, leave your garbage outside the door. So, you know, self care could be a bubble bath. I mean, women love to do that. I mean, it's like very rarely do don't, you know, and but you know, it's just like taking that time to do that. It's like if you'd like to garden, you know, grow a garden, you know, do something that you can look at and that you can see beauty and have and have some gratitude for Tony Robbins used to do this interesting walk that, you know, he was it'd be like the power walk for walking with intention. And he did it years like years ago. And what I remember about it and what I do when I'm walking for like the first three minutes of it, is I breathe in and I touched the end part of my fingers. And each one of these as I found when I became an acupuncturist, there are these points that are Jing well points, and they stimulate those organ systems in your body or the meridians in your body. You know, like the long the heart, the small intestine, things in, you know, large intestine, things like that. So that when you're breathing with that intention, like you're breathing in, and then you're breathing out then you have your your focus on your breath, which makes you have more deep breathing and more ability to exchange the right kind of air with your body so that you can be more focused and final.

Steve Brown: 

So what what caused your fascination with acupuncture that you went and God certified to use it in a medicinal way?

Pat Boulogne: 

Well, I've always been interested in herbs. Yeah. And and Chinese, like no, not just Chinese herbs there was in my family lineage. My ancestor was the according to what I've researched so far, was the apothecary to read them and he and Henri cut in the house of bourbon. And, and so when I went to go do this, you know, research up in Montreal in Quebec, because Nicholas, a bear son settled Quebec for France. I thought, when I called my friend up, I said, Oh, my God, you won't believe this. I have, I got this lineage by DNA. And she said, Oh, my God, and 400 years, it hasn't changed. She has Patricia, when you tell someone to take calcium, they go how much. And because I'm, you know, I like to put, and I know, for me, I like to solve those pieces of the puzzle like that, you know, that are challenging. And make it simple for somebody, I like to help people get unstuck and move forward so that they get better, faster results, and are not spinning their wheels. And trying to figure out like, you know, you talked a little bit about this before, you know, reading something in a book, basically, and trying to apply it. And a lot of times that can be costly, because it's not really dealing with the root cause of the problem. So I help people get to that root cause, find out what it looks like. And then what do I have to do get it out of here? You know, like, what, how much of a ladder? Do I need to get unstuck from here? To get out in how can I do with that? What is the easiest way for me to do it? And you know, that makes I get up in the morning thinking? How many problems can I solve today? In our how many challenging things and it's just, you know, in my head synthesizes things, you know, my brain just works in that fashion very easily.

Steve Brown: 

So, how does then the needle therapy? How does that solve some of those problems? I'm really curious.

Pat Boulogne: 

Well, you No, there are points that are on the body, you know, and there's in awful in the air. So like if you looked at your acupuncture, regular therapy, that heads in the bottom, and the feets on top and then centers all the organs. So each of these organ meridians start, either from the head, or from the chest and go to the feet, and from the feet go back up, or from the arms, they go back up to the head. And there's a cycle of how that works. And they're all connected to each other. So there's like one point that, you know, can, you know, if you if you want to treat the the large intestine and the lung, there's a point on the arm about right where your wristband for your watch would be? That's the point that helps does that so that you can they can work together. And you can, when you needle there's a point that is when I was treating that patient for plantar fasciitis one time when I was in school, and my mentor and teacher at the acupuncture college told me to put a needle in and to the person's foot for plantar fasciitis. And it makes sure I hit all the way to the bone. And I went, Oh, that skin so thick. And I had my own block to that. And I really had a hard time getting that needle in initially. And it came in to see what I was doing. And he's just shaking his head. And he goes, No, no, no, but Trisha, you know, with a lovely Chinese accent, he put his hand over my hand and a needle, and I could feel the needles, I wasn't doing anything, I could feel the needle slide out from underneath my hand into this person. The person didn't yell, didn't say it hurt. And I was so my mouth was on the ground. I was like, Oh my God. And then he told me what else to do for that person to make, you know, so that you could help that crystal around the planner for situs dissipate, and they could get better. And when the person got up from this treatment, they had no pain, was able to walk on the floor, put their shoes on and walk out. And a month later, they came back for another thing. I said, hey, how's your foot never had a problem with it again. So it's just knowing how to make that circuitry. It's like a computer when you're trying to write a program. It's like knowing how to put the pieces of those puzzle together so that it fits and thinking really outside the box, you know, because a lot of in in acupuncture, like for headaches, they treat the feet. So you're thinking how does that work, you know, and when you first start looking at it, and it's just, there's a lot of complexity to it. And then acupuncture really works much better when you're doing the herbs along with it. So if you're treating someone for low back pain, there's a specific formula for low back pain. There's a great formula for you know, for calming the nerves that I always called Chinese Valium that has no side effects and a great formula for help people sleep that doesn't have any side effects, you're not going to have any wake up groggy or not being able to function or think clearly from the get go for when you get up. So sometimes when you're traveling like that, and you have jetlag, it's the perfect thing to take projects,

Steve Brown: 

like to great, you know, we're in this time of COVID. And I've listened to some doctors discuss the healing success that they've had and in sin, so not to dwell on the particulars, but there are certain you would think, Oh, I have to take a medicine. But what listening to them, what they were doing was facilitating the body's ability to heal itself, by making sure had plenty of vitamin D, plenty of vitamins, zinc, and other things. And it was something that I don't know why. But our bodies do want to heal themselves. And so what you're talking about is facilitating the body's regeneration or the renewal by taking advantage of the things that are in our bodies already.

Pat Boulogne: 

Absolutely. And you know, in Chinese medicine, when you first diagnose you diagnose things, either being an exterior interior, you know, hot or cold, excess or deficiency, you know, things like that, and your Yin and Yang. And in the case of any type of virus, or any type of flu or the cold, so to speak, or a cold virus, it always goes to the back of the nose and always goes back to the throat and the Chinese would say that's an exterior problem. And so an exterior problem doesn't necessarily ever have to enter your body. It could be handled at that level. So it never gets that far. You know, by doing some, you know, typical things that you would do like when you first Have that sniffle that kind of thing. Like, there's Chinese herbs that help do that. And there's things that I tell people in this day and time that I do that as my health hack. And one of those things is to take a cap full of cider vinegar at the end of the day and just clear the back of my throat. And I also take activated charcoal, yeah, on a regular basis, because I just want to make sure that if there's something along the way going down, I want it to have that charcoal to act like flypaper to do that. So but the exterior interior, how that that goes in Chinese medicine is first exterior evil, and then it goes in, and sometimes it come back out. So it's in between, and then when it becomes interior is when you start seeing like color changes, like in mucus, you started seeing color changes, like in the you know, when you're like the phlegm net, you're coughing up, it changes into green, yellow. And, you know, so you can tell how deep something is, you know, by that. So when, you know, I hear, you know, people talking about, you know, COVID, and things that they do, you have to keep your immune system up, so that if something happens, and you have exposure to something, any virus, any bacteria at all, your immune system is going to kick in. A lot of people sometimes, you know, going back to the title of my book, that the sick part takes a while to, you know, come up and into manifest. Well, a lot of people who have had big issues with, you know, with COVID are people who have comorbidities like you know, heart disease, diabetes, they can be pre diabetic, and there's, there's something lurking below the surface, like an iceberg, that you really don't see. And then when they get sick like that, or from the flu, it's, you know, they have this thing called a kind of kind of kind storm, that just like blows them out completely, and then they're playing catch up because their immune system was weak to begin with. And they had this other thing going on, underneath the surface, or it's known. And there's so many people and the United States that I see. And when I'm looking at numbers and that type of thing, that I'm always saying, there's so many people sick who don't know it, sometimes you can see it on their face, sometimes you have to have more of a conversation, and such, but there's a lot of things that people don't, they've done for such a long time, that they that are their normals for them, like, you know, eating at Burger King or something. In taking that, and not making that change, you know, it's just like, what do I need to do to eat healthy was if it means like not eating anything fried? Or if it means that eating potato chips or whatever that food is for that person, sugars, any excess sugar or processed things, then that's what you do. You know, you step up the bat, you know, they say it takes 21 days to change, you know, a habit, you know, there's rituals people can do, you've got to be hydrated. A lot of injuries that I see when, you know, in chiropractic are from dehydration, for instance.

Steve Brown: 

So what's one always like to ask, what's one question that you never get to answer? You know, people are interviewing you all the time. And I'm just curious, what's the question nobody ever asked that you wish they would ask?

Pat Boulogne: 

Um, gosh, I've been asked almost every day. You know, but they, I think that they a question that, you know, I would like to be asked is, like, you know, how, you know, I would like to do some, I would like to do more speaking, you know, in being more present speaking and helping people understand the right side, the left side of that aspect. So, I, you know, I would, I'm leaning in that direction, because I want to have it to be known that, you know, I want to help masses of people have the ability to understand, Hey, I got a glitch in my health here. I know, there's a venue for me to go to that simple. And I can go do what you know, I can find out more information and find out where my next best step is or who I have to talk to and I, you know, and I can use people can use, like, my book, for instance, as a advocating tool. They can fill it out and be at the beginning of the year, whether their doctor and you know, and say like, Hey, here's, excuse me. Here's my score. You know, how does this relate to everything? Yeah, because so many people go to the doctor and they get scared, they get patient, they shut down. They don't ask the right questions. And if you don't ask the right questions, you can't expect to get the right answers. And then you're making decisions based upon that information. So I was thinking like, how I would be like, how can we get more people have that information so they can do something with it?

Steve Brown: 

So do you work with people remotely? Or do they have to come into your office? For you? Well, I

Pat Boulogne: 

have done both. I have for in states that I'm licensed in the states that I'm in, I like to see people I like to have my hands on so they can get chiropractic care, acupuncture, I obviously can't do that, regionally. But, you know, I like to work virtually, because I like to have the ability to, you know, help a lot more people and help them find the doctor that they need to find, you know, get the care that they need to get and have information that they can follow up on.

Steve Brown: 

So where's a great place for people to reach out to you and start to maybe you have a blog? Do you know, when do you are you? Do you have a podcast?

Pat Boulogne: 

I don't have a podcast yet. But I do have a web page where my blog is, and that's health team network comm I'm on LinkedIn, people can reach out to me on LinkedIn. And that's how I think we met was that way. And I have I have a different, you know, Facebook page and Instagram, you know, that people can reach out and see things that I've been doing. And for me, this is pretty much new, because I have I was retired for 17 years. And I did a pivot and decided, when I was looking and seeing so many people who look so unhealthy to me, that I said, There's got to be these people got to get a grip, they have to understand there's something else out there that can help them, you know, live longer, live better, live healthier, move better, think better, that whole thing. And it's not that hard. There's simple solutions

Steve Brown: 

might be cool. If you set up a Facebook group, or I'm sure you would have a following of people that would become a member of the Facebook group and get to interact with you on a regular basis. Even if it's remotely, I would encourage you to do that.

Pat Boulogne: 

Yep, I can you know, I do have a group in here, my dog in the background right now. He is 14 and he gets all my wisdom from lifestyle medicine. Yeah, adjusting acupuncture and the whole thing.

Steve Brown: 

No, I have a I have a year. And she's the smartest dog in marketing as well. She just

Pat Boulogne: 

I mean, he's he's heard the story a lot. But I do have a, you know, I do have a business page on Facebook, you know, that people can connect with me on on that. And I'm much more I have a lot of presence and LinkedIn. So for business to business and people who want to get a little bit more information that way. And I have I'm pretty consistent with posting

Steve Brown: 

with that. Excellent. So that's Dr. Patricia Malone. That's Bo u l, o G and E. You can find her on LinkedIn. Dr. Pat, you've been an excellent guest on ROI online podcast, and I really appreciate you.

Pat Boulogne: 

Thank you. I appreciate you too. I love being here. Thank you so much.

Steve Brown: 

That's a wrap. Thanks for listening to another fun episode of the ROI online podcast. For more be sure to check out the show notes of this episode. And feel free to connect with me on LinkedIn where we can chat and I can help direct you to the resources you're searching for. To learn more about how you can grow your business better. Be sure to pick up your copy of my book, The Golden toilet at surprise that golden toilet.com I'm Steve Brown, and we'll see you next week on another fun episode of the ROI online podcast.